Talks with Babaji

With aging, some obstacles appear which weren’t there before. Is it possible for a yogi in his 70’s and 80’s to do effective sadhana?

Dispassion and firmness in aim strengthen the will so much that nothing can obstruct. In aging, forgetfulness, loss of memory, inability to concentrate may develop, but due to the spiritual practice in mature age, samskaras are already formed. Those samskaras still work in a subtle level.

If the aim is firm, dispassion to the world will develop. But some people become more attached, greedy and discontented. It depends on each person’s samskara.

Aging is only for the body. If the mind is totally fixed in Aim, then body automatically remains behind. Yoga sadhana is not physical exercises. In the beginning the body is used in practicing asana, pranayama, pratyahara, etc. and later when the Aim becomes stable, only the mind proceeds forward.

Will power is in the buddhi. Aim is in the ego. “I will do it.” But the ego and Buddhi always work together because ego is deeply rooted in Buddhi.

Mind is also part of the body and with aging loses some of its energy and ability to focus. So the aim is not as strong as the body declines.

Did Ramana Maharshi leave his Aim due to his terrible sickness? There was a saint named Hari Dass Yaman. He was a Muslim but he became a vairagyi monk. He lived in a cave and his practice was japa, non-stop, night and day. He got old, then very old, then sickness. But his aim, to do a certain number of japa before eating food, was never changed. He never stopped his japa yoga until his last breath.

Is there a natural evolution toward the quieting of the mind? As we age, we naturally begin to limit stimulation, food became simpler, social relationships became simpler because we have less energy to deal with it.

Physical limitation is one thing; firm aim is different. In old age, all don’t go to the same mental states. Some become very angry, disappointed and always try to upset others by their needs and demands, and remain discontented. Physical limitations do not limit the desire for worldly objects. Only rare people develop dispassion when they get old.

How do we develop the great patience that’s required of a yogi in non-achievement of a yogic state, in order to keep faith in the aim?

I find myself caught in the world of duality, where the need for establishing some security in the world is a distraction from my spiritual goals.

This is not a problem if we understand our aim and our life in the world honestly. When we mix them, then we blame the world for obstructing our spiritual life. Lahiri Mahasaya was a yogi, a householder, who had a job in the military. He had children, wife, parents, and a large family to support. How did he do? He had a spiritual discipline. Within that discipline he included his family responsibility. What do others do? They have no discipline so they work to support their self-interest (which includes family) and live a selfish life.

Householder life: 1) merged in attachment and no sense of duty of one’s own aim of life, 2) merged in spiritual life where there is a sense of duty toward the family by keeping one’s own spiritual discipline. Common people live one side of householder life who are in spiritual path. They think they are in spiritual path so they don’t have a responsibility for the household. Or they think household responsibility doesn’t give them enough time to pursue their own spiritual life. But there is time for both if they make their household a part of their spiritual life. They keep the attitude of a caretaker of the household and observe their spiritual discipline also.

The commentary mentioned 1) delusion: thinking we have attained something we haven’t, and 2) non-attaining. How should we observe our progress in sadhana?

Deluded mind is like a daydream. The practitioner only thinks I have attained this and that. In reality, the person remains in the same place. Non-achievement term indicates an effort to achieve. Like football players work hard, get knocked down, get up, run again and can’t make it but doesn’t stop playing the game. Our progress in sadhana is measured by 1) concentration deepens, 2) peacefulness increases, 3) the mind stops craving for worldly things as it was craving before.

As a householder who is struggling to achieve a virtuous and spiritual life, my understanding has been that as one’s spiritual life progresses and deepens, then the obstacles to one’s worldly life also becomes less.

Obstacles are identified by the mind. When the mind is channeled towards the aim, then it doesn’t identify such obstacles so deeply. The obstacles are there but the mind doesn’t give much importance.

According to the scriptures, householder means the large extended family, whereas today householder may refer to a couple who is simply living together with no intention of creating a family.

A man has several dogs, horses, goats; it’s a family. In olden times, people lived vanprastha - wife and husband living alone in secluded places, a celibate life. Those who live a householder life in eastern system include the whole tribe as a family. In western system, there is no joint family system so every couple creates a family and their children create their own separate family. Householder means taking responsibility of family life together. “Family” can belong to two individuals as wife and husband, or it can include other members of their tribe. In Hindu scriptures, it is said “Vasudaiva kutumbakam” - the whole world is one family.

So in non-achievement, effort is still made. The football player’s mind is not on whether he is achieving or not achieving. He is just making the effort.

Effort to achieve is the main force in all our undertakings. If he keeps on trying, he may achieve another time? The player doesn’t drop out, but always tries to achieve. Sometimes wins and sometimes loses, but keeps sports spirit alive.

Do your duty for God. You cannot create favorable result. A farmer works hard to achieve a good crop but when the crop is ripe, the hailstorm destroys it. So doing the duty is in our hands and the result is in divine hands.

In finding the balance between worldly life and spiritual practice, suppose we have established a regular spiritual practice meditating early in the morning and then our worldly life requires that we arrive earlier. So you miss that time. It may help the work in the world but it weakens the discipline of spiritual practice.

In meditation class, if someone gets heart attack, what should we do? We have to see our duty in the world also. The class stops and everyone helps that person but it doesn’t break the discipline. Next time, the class continues as usual.

There was a swami who started an orphanage in Almora. He was meditating in the morning sun, feeling good. A boy fell down from the roof and got a head injury. The swami ignored that child. The swami ignored his duty to take care of the child first. His mind made a reason to sit by using meditation as a pretext. We have to be honest to ourselves in our spiritual life.

It is always a desire, which pulls the mind out in the world taking various forms. Sometimes the form of desire appears as if very spiritual, but deep inside, there is a desire of name, fame, etc.